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Serendipity Lost
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Posted - 2015.12.14 16:38:41 -
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The MWD bonus for AF was bad to begin with. Interceptors are the high speed kiting / tackle frigate. AF are the close in 'heavy' frigate tackle ships. You want to get them back in the mix - drop the misguided MWD bonus. Give them an AB role bonus and a web resistance bonus.
Give AF the ability to bore in and tackle something and hold onto it until the fleet can drop the hammer on its prey. This would give AF a role.
Their role and the construction of their role should never be to make them a solo powerhouse (that shouldn't be the role of any ship).
I think a lot of the balance issues w/ T3 destroyers is that you can instantly swap between 3 roles and (OMG... who would have thought) poof they are OP. The mode swap instawarp puts them over the top. (I'd recommend a 4 second mode swap c/d before a T3 can enter warp - you could call it a 'combat commitment' feature) |
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Posted - 2015.12.17 13:04:00 -
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Derren Zelway wrote:I say they need a buff to their speed and maneuverability to make them feel a bit closer to T1 Frigates. This will help them catch more targets and define them as a tackling frigate that can take enough of a beating for reinforcements to arrive.
I justify this because AF's are relatively difficult to fit for kiting and, at the very least, sacrifice a great deal to do so.
Of course, this might mean they might need to have their MWD signature bloom role bonus turned down to compensate for an increase in their "speed/signature tank" while approaching a target.
As a side note the Retribution and Wolf could probably use some minor fitting increases because it's really a pain to get a fit that's solid.
This, alongside a few minor tweaks to T3D's (probably a slight speed, tank, and mode switching nerf), will put them in a good spot.
Interceptors are kiting frigates.
Assault frigates are not kiting frigates.
There are too many ninnies on here trying to make AF into tanky interceptors. CCP already took away their role by giving a mwd bonus instead of AB bonus. The ROLE of the AF his brawling / heavy frigate tackle. Just stop w/ the kiting crap. There are already enough kiting options out there. (pro hint - every other frigate in the game)
TL/DR: Can we please have one frigate class that isn't designed from the ground up to kite and run away from a fight? |
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Posted - 2015.12.21 12:20:53 -
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Tornii wrote:elitatwo wrote:You seem to percieve less assault ships in the space you are flying in than you are used to see. Now let me quote a saying that you might have heard not in EVE but here it goes, "out of sight, out of mind". While I agree on the general phenomenon of perception you described, you can come to nullsec any time and count how many AFs you encounter on the way. And I'm not even talking about chances of AFs becoming part of roaming/ops fleet compositions of corps and alliances.
Our wh chain opened up into syndicate yesterday. We started rolling out in command ships and hacs to educate some ratters on the finer points of being careful. 2 jumps in we had to fall back and look elsewhere. There was an inty/AF gang harassing a t3d fleet. They were both moving fast and having a great time (which I think is the point of both eve and syndicate). Anyway there were a lot of assault frigates mixed into both of the fleets. They were ripping around having fun.
t3d are in the process of being adjusted and AF are in a good spot (a great spot once t3d finish their callibration pass). Just keep in mind what they are and what they are not. |
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Posted - 2015.12.21 19:02:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Best way to help AF is to nerf T3D Down to the level of destroyers.
The t3 hate is consuming this guy. He's right, but so much hate.
Show me on the megathron where the t3d touched you!
I have faith in the t3d balance group. Mostly faith in Suitonia. He's been rocking frigates pretty much since the beginning. He has a good handle on stuff and he's like twice as smart as the other guys in the group. His workout videos are totally awesome. His cookbook is on the #1 best seller list. He'll bring home the balance on t3d. |
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